This was during an online rapid tournament. So still very impressive, but Magnus loses games online all the time and I'm non _quite_ certain why this is news.
Information technology is interesting which junior players Magnus invited to the tournament, though - besides Praggnanandhaa, there's also Andrey Esipenko, who _did_ vanquish Magnus in a classical game in one case at the prestigious Tata Steel Masters 2021, and also Nodirbek Abdusattorov, who beat Magnus late final twelvemonth en road to becoming the World Rapid Champion at 17 years old. A fun grouping! With Vincent Keymer in the mix also, you're only actually missing Nihal Sarin and (of form) Firouzja for many of the future faces of chess.
[Edit: the article says that Praggnanandhaa is the youngest thespian ever to beat Magnus since 2013, which would definitely exist newsworthy. I call up the commodity must exist leaving out important context, since this tournament is (1) online, (2) speed chess and (3) not FIDE rated, so it typically wouldn't exist included in records, and Magnus has almost certainly lost random online games to younger players before. I'm guessing the article is referencing some other source without providing the relevant criteria, which is why information technology looked a piffling weird to me.]
This context would certainly be great in the article, merely I nevertheless experience it's newsworthy. Bold the article is correct, he'south the youngest role player ever to beat Magnus since he became World Champion in 2013 - that alone is worth noticing.
He's too the sixth youngest chess grandmaster ever, so it'due south not similar he's a nobody, he's a legit prodigy. Plus India has traditionally not been a potent chess nation (per capita), but has been upwards and coming recently, so that adds to the appeal of the story.
I mean, per capita, Bharat is terrible at everything. We are much meliorate at chess than say soccer or Basketball.
Ask your Indian friends about the national cricket squad of New Zealand in world loving cup & world test competition (yep, I know), then work out the per-capita of that contest.
India probably take the best cricket squad in the world right now and they have depth. Their second 11 might be in the summit 5. They are awesome and a menstruum of Bharat being the summit dog is a good thing for cricket. (Some friendly played, properly tense games against Islamic republic of pakistan would make information technology even better, nosotros can't have everything).
India popular 1,380 million NZ pop 5 million Kingdom of norway also about 5 million
Truthful, we tend to forget the size of the population when we compare countries. But nosotros should also non forget that someone from a rich country has a higher chance to get funding for sports.
Absolutely wealth is critical and manner, way beyond funding. You don't play at a serious level as a kid if you're genuinely poor for and then many reasons. A poorer, more populous, country with higher density living has relatively much more expensive access to playing fields. In chess information technology's more likely to be a role of tradition, interest, gratuitous time & resource availability (computers seem similar they might exist important only wtf would I know almost information technology or how many in India accept readily available access to play games?) Potentially wellness & diet of significant mothers could play some part in some of it for some individuals and may non be equivalent across all national borders. Domestic civilization and whatever class and or caste arrangement is influential in getting admission to playing in the best competitions as a inferior really matters.
New Zealand is wealthy, has more than playing fields than they can use, anyone who wants to can afford to play and is welcomed - fifty-fifty more than then if they can bring together in and help /usa/ beat those bastards from beyond town for whatever value of across town is about relevant to the particular team. There'south a metric fudge-tonne of old cranky bastards who want to tell you what to do to do information technology improve, not all of them are useless either. At to the lowest degree that's my read as a foreigner who visited in one case. The proportion of New Zealanders who trace their heritage to the sub-continent is probable pretty small (wikipedia says 5%). The proportion of the New Zealand national cricket team who trace their heritage to the sub-continent is quite big in comparison (~xxx% depending on who is selected this week?) There was a test match recently betwixt India and NZ where all the wickets in the friction match were taken by people tracing their heritage to India. Cultural tradition might have something to say about that besides.
Likewise Norway is close to the richest land per capita in the earth. Hard to think of anywhere you'd rather exist if you were bringing upwards kids and in the bottom 10% of wealth & income. If your child takes an interest in chess they are likely to be able to pursue it, is my guess (Norwegians tin can piping upwards to say how ignorant I am if necessary). Not true everywhere in the world.
None actually beyond interest, entertainment.
@screye picked per capita as a measure out. @herodoturtle pointed out how skilful India are at cricket right now. Seemed interesting and fun to combine those especially given recent cricket results and that basically nobody lives in NZ? Sometimes following these digressions leads somewhere interesting, informative, instructive and entertaining. Not always.
I'd never heard of it before I saw SRK playing with/against the sea in Dear Zindagi. And then at present that'due south the paradigm I accept when I read a comment similar yours, and it takes me a minute to remember what it really is!
just putting information technology out there as a random foreigner that happened to picket kabaddi randomly on goggle box while travelling -- kabaddi rules! Groovy spectator sport
I take played Kabaddi as a kid but somehow never imagined that information technology was televised. Looked for clips of Pro Kabbadi League on YouTube and couldn't assist but laugh out loud because of it being presented equally a serious sport with commentators and everything.
Whatsoever sport with coherent rules is no different near whether it may qualify equally a "serious sport". Baseball game looks pretty stupid to me every bit a European, and satires of Cricket often portray that as complete nonsense although it does have laws setting down exactly how it works.
In the end what matters to perception may be the attendant fuss, as yous say with commentators and organised contest, simply I grew up with the Football Pyramid†, which provokes salubrious distrust of such things in trying to ascertain a sport.
† Different with US sports similar the NFL, in England Soccer is organised in a vast sprawling hierarchy of leagues, the Pyramid, with a arrangement for teams to exist promoted from a lower league to a higher one, or contrariwise demoted to a lower league, depending on their performance each season. Anybody can start at the bottom, if they can put together a grouping of people to turn up and play. In principle a group of friends or colleagues could create a new side, "Speen and Dean FC", that was only ridiculously skillful, and become promoted every flavor, until after a few yeares they were playing against semi-professionals, then facing actual professional footballers in stadiums, and then playing internationals, it's all possible. Incredibly unlikely of course, only possible. And then this emphasises that really the game you're playing boot-most with some friends, is the exact same game somebody gets paid eyewatering sums of money to play on national TV. If it'due south a "serious sport" is conspicuously simply a matter of perspective.
Nodirbek was as well a teenager when he outset defeated him (and no, his last win wasn't the starting time, but first on a tournament of this level.) Norwegian supercomputer is still a human, and he has bad days.
> This was during an online rapid tournament. So all the same very impressive, but Magnus loses games online all the fourth dimension and I'm non _quite_ sure why this is news.
Non to mention, Pragg wasn't even the everyman rated actor to beat out Magnus in this unrated tournament. Eric Hansen is fifty-fifty lower rated than pragg and he beat magnus. Sure hansen is older simply and then what? Pragg didn't even make information technology out of the preliminary stage of this tournament while hansen did.
This news story reeks of advertizing masquerading equally news. India is a potential huge market and it seems like the chess manufacture paid for this news.
Equally someone who follows chess, this story is and so forced and unbelievable. Pragg came in 11th out of sixteen and didn't make it by the beginning phase. Why turn it into such a huge news story?
If anything, the story should be about how pragg and ding liren have to compete in the middle of the time due to their time zones. The tournament is still going on and they make a huge story out of this? Does not compute.
To be fair, Eric Hansen's win was probably because of a Magnus Carlsen mouse sideslip. He made a totally nonsensical motility and so immediately resigned.
As a thespian with a rating probably, on a proficient day, somewhere around i tertiary Carlsen'south information technology is heartening to know that there is at least one aspect of his play that I am able to emulate precisely. And, it would seem, repeatedly.
"Why is this news" is almost always an unnecessarily provocative "loftier-heat low-light" question. It's more than substantial to point out mitigating factors and add missing context, equally you too did.
I read it as a metaphorical nod to light bulbs: an inefficient light seedling spends most of its energy toward heat while producing niggling light. Instead of producing illuminating discussion, a "high-oestrus low-calorie-free" question produces flames.
Because India.
[Edit] Thanks for the comments, in now way is this meant prejudiced and derogatory, I have worked with many excellent Indian colleagues.
The country unremarkably associated with Chess is Russia, lately Bharat got a huge wave of bully talents similar Vidit Gujrathi or Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa.
I'll go out of my mode and assume you don't mean to be prejudiced or derogatory.
In return, I ask that yous understand that your phrasing is prejudiced and derogatory.
> Because India.
Do yous have something confronting Bharat or Indians? That likewise a 16 twelvemonth old Indian child..
Hopefully that is not part of your CTO coaching..
It's well known that Indians will absolutely swarm any content about Bharat put on the internet. I follow multiple youtubers that randomly come across 10x their usual traffic on a video that happens to be nigh Bharat in some way.
> Indians will admittedly swarm any content near India put on the internet.
And because of the large population, even a minor percentage would nonetheless be a large number.
Simply individual Indians do that on their ain contained will though.
There's no central authority that declares to Indians "Ooh hither's a new content about Bharat. Go go go!"
Yous do realize the Bharat has 1.4B+ population.. And then, fifty-fifty a small percentage is huge in absolute terms...
Nothing incorrect with it, but it distorts popularity metrics for India-related content.
The Us'south disparate influence on global culture is so strong, yet nosotros don't say the popularity metrics are distorted for American content. Odd phrasing IMHO
Yes, well that's your opinion. Peradventure justify/source information technology if yous want to brand sweeping generalisations of countries?
Youtubers basically get more views by Indians on Republic of india related content. Is that such a bad thing? i mean information technology has Republic of india related content.
I think their dissonance comes from seeing Western culture as the default. Indian content is seen as unusual, and evokes stiff other-ism.
Nothing wrong with information technology, it merely explains why western media would create a positive story about India that is only marginally newsworthy.
Though, you may be surprised to larn that in general, western media and western commentators are pretty negative on India. Encounter, for instance, [1]. Whenever some positive news about India comes out, people come out of the woodwork with statements similar "do people still shit on the streets?" "India is the rape capital of the world" "India should feed its people showtime", etc. etc.
Hence you tin can't really blame Indians for getting excited about a positive news story.
Indians are likewise insensitive to critics and get outraged very speedily.
I'm french and if I read whatsoever comments section of any english language commodity about France, I'll find tons of negative comments like "cheese eating give up monkey", "their tanks accept 1 forward and 7 reverse gear" and so on. And I only speak virtually the comments section, the worse are article from Murdoch'southward empire which plain insult united states, generating tons of money along the style because it sells well.
This type of comments is besides constitute on indian based website, and that is super strange because India and French republic have not been involved together, we do not share a common history which would allow the introduction of jokes making fun of i another.
> Indians are likewise insensitive to critics and become outraged very speedily.
Tin can you blame them? It's been barely 74 years since they got independence, and even so they have managed to achieve and so much: satellite launches, mission to moon, Mars, stable democracy, well-run elections, booming tech sector, nukes, etc. And they still have to deal with Western media portraying them as a shitty country.
Well France was one of the traditional colonizers and, although more than cooperative historically with India, was often the opponent of the sides supported by Republic of india diplomatically (Vietnam, Africa, etc).
Also France does non have a history of traditionally winning in Bharat (Carnatic Wars). That, coupled with the base level knowledge of WW2 that Indians are taught at school, means that Indians ofttimes take the stereotypical view online.
> Indians are as well insensitive to critics and go outraged very speedily.
Honestly, I've seen people beingness strongly nationalist both offline and online, in the United states of america and Europe just as much.
I don't there's much connection to ethnicity, rather people are just bad at taking criticism in general.
Cheers for the comment, in no manner is this meant prejudiced and derogatory, I accept worked with many fantabulous Indian colleagues.
> I'thousand non _quite_ sure why this is news
Perhaps not for most chess aficionados, But I for i don't mind this beingness blasted all over the news because Indian children have not seen school for two years now and they're hooked on to worthless reality shows & soap operas on television/streaming sites/FB/Instagram/WhatsApp; If this news motivates some of them (or) their parents to directly their attention towards chess even if its simply for the prospects of fame then I'chiliad all in for it.
This is news because it'due south a 16-year-sometime Indian kid. India has a huge Anglophone online audience that loves to heave news of Indian accomplishments, particularly those of people achieving something beyond their years.
Yes but this news would non get this much exposure if it was a Russian kid. They simply don't have the same online footprint.
Case in indicate: Last year, 18-year-old Andrey Esipenko vanquish Carlsen in classical time controls. It was Carlsen'southward outset classical loss against a teenager in 10 years, and his first loss to a sub-2700 actor in 5 years. It was also just 3 months after Carlsen's record-breaking streak of 125 classical games with no losses came to an end.
There was a big fizz in the chess world at the time, just information technology was hardly front-page material for mainstream media.
That said, of course, newsworthiness is not a competition - so congrats to both youngsters for their awesome achievements. The upcoming chess generation is looking promising! (I expect nosotros'll see similar headlines for Alireza Firouzja anytime shortly)
It's sports accomplishments in general. Like in most developing countries, sports has very depression priority in the Indian society, and then it becomes big news when an Indian excels in any sport because it'south assumed he/she had very lilliputian institutional support.
Because, every time Magnus loses, it is news. When he is no longer number one, information technology will cease to be news.
No, it isn't. Especially not if information technology is online rapid tournament. Indian journalists made it news. :-)
On another note, I like that guy and he is great talent, I followed his games live during the recent Tata Steel tournament (that was existent classic chess tournament). He will need to bear witness himself against other such talents like Firouzja, which I retrieve is around 18 and also very good, ando also that young Hungarian guy has a lot of promise. Hopefully they bring Magnus down soon. ;-)
Exactly this. I was very confused why this in detail was fabricated into a news story, considering in online rapid chess, and fifty-fifty more so for bullet, the just surprising issue would be if he didn't lose a whole bunch of games.
And, although not a junior, Eric Hansen aka i of the chessbrah also beat Magnus this tournament!
Firouzja is at a different point in his career than the other juniors. For most people, competing in a top online tournament for prizes and a shot at taking down Magnus is a corking use of fourth dimension. Just for Firouzja, who is the world no. 2 at 18 years one-time and volition exist participating in the next Candidates Tournament, it's all about grinding out classical training, learning openings, etc. He spent some time doing the online circuit and fifty-fifty won Titled Tuesday (a major weekly tournament with hundreds of grandmasters) twice in a row last year. When he emerges again, it will be to show dominance confronting the globe's elite at the most rigorous fourth dimension control, aiming for the next Globe Championship. That'southward what he wants.
Definitely. Off the top of my caput: Abdusattorov, Sarin, Firouzja, Keymer, Niemann, Yoo as well as Praggnanandhaa could all have downwardly Magnus in a given blitz game, and have been stiff enough to exercise so for several years. Rapid is definitely a tougher suggestion, but virtually of them could steal the occasional round from Magnus there, too.
To be clear, Magnus is still one of the strongest, if not the strongest, players in the world at speed chess, but there'south much more variability per game than in classical and at a given format (eg online 3+0, with premoves) probably he's edged out past any number of players.
For example, here's Nihal Sarin beating Magnus at a rush game at 16 years sometime: https://www.chess.com/events/2021-magnus-carlsen-vs-challeng.... Sarin is currently rated #5 on the chess.com blitz leaderboard with an absurd rating of over 3100. Online speed chess is just a different animal - ratings are different, everyone plays lots more than games, and even Magnus loses adequately ofttimes. These players are all rated high enough to exist competitive with Magnus at certain speed time controls, which is my point.
Not sure why this is downvoted. This is news because he is the youngest role player to beat magnus since he became world champ, and information technology was an fantabulous game to boot.
Aye. He even lost once in rapid to a person who was brand new to chess, if I call back correctly
This is noted in some other comment, but it should exist a acme level annotate... Magnus actively has COVID and has said that it was affecting his energy levels and power to calculate during the early rounds of the tournament (during which this game happened).
And Pragg wasn't even the lowest rated player to beat Magnus this tournament! Eric Hansen, aka popular chess streamer "chessbrah", is even lower rated and also beat Magnus, which again yous would not expect if Magnus were playing his usual level.
Then still a great win and groovy accomplishment for Pragg, but a little context would take been nice in the article.
To be off-white Prag outplayed Magnus in their game, whereas Magnus hung a slice vs. Hansen in an otherwise equal position and resigned immediately
Pressure is inevitable. Office of any competition is learning how to deal with it. Magnus has to bargain with loses similar this becoming big news.
>What he'southward saying: When asked on Chess24 he'd celebrate chirapsia Carsen, Praggnanandhaa said: "I remember it'south about merely going to bed, considering I don't retrieve I will accept dinner at 2:30 in the morning."
I don't cover this quote or even the judgement Axios introduced it with. ("asked on Chess24 he'd gloat"?) What is this saying?
Dialog from the linked video:
> Interviewer: Information technology must exist a large day for you, beating the earth champion. Will you sort of have a nice dinner, celebrate at all? Or is it only about going to bed now and get ready for 24-hour interval 3?
> Praggnanandhaa: I retrieve it's about just going to bed, because I don't think I will accept dinner at two:xxx in the morning time.
Link with timestamp to the quoted bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QcPCeq9L14&t=224s
The tournament is scheduled in the Central European Fourth dimension timezone, while Praggnanandhaa is in Bharat Standard Time. The lucifer in question was scheduled to start at eight:00PM CET, which is 12:30AM IST.
Chess24 is the chess platform hosting the tournament. The sentence should read something similar "When asked on Chess24 (the platform) how he would celebrate..."
Totally hold, love listening to him, and I still wonder how he is doing it (beside the hard work). With some it is piece of cake to see, with him I struggle.
I'1000 actively following chess. I was dislocated by the commodity title since I know Magnus was playing recently with somebody else (Le, Quang Liem) in the quarterfinals of the tournament.
After reading the commodity I've got more confused. When this is happened? What tournament? Which game format?
Finally I've realized this is but another PR stunt / clickbait / classic media article / yellow journalism and I'm merely wasting my time.
Smashing! Congratulation for achieving a remarkable feat at a immature age.
I do have 1 general question, not specific to him. I am just request what other people think about such a situation. Is there a scientific method to verify the age? Because I have seen my friends reducing their age intentionally to take function in international competitions.
I know in that location are prodigies, and fifty-fifty if he is not xvi information technology doesn't matter to me because he trounce the earth champion. He deserves the accolade :)
No! That'due south why it is a general question, not targeted at him. Also, my friends claimed to exist 14 when they were xvi because the international competition was restricted to 15 years old. Nonetheless, in this game age doesn't matter, then it is irrelevant whether he is older than 16 or not.
> it is a full general question
Every bit a general answer: As far as I know, there is currently no exact scientific method to measure and determine the age of a person.
Certain techniques tin give more or less rough estimates, nonetheless a precise technique that works for all age groups is catchy.
The post-obit article is from 2014, but gives a good glance at several existing methods and directions of research.
It should be noted, that many techniques in this area are invasive, requiring blood/tissue sampling and/or exposing a person to ionizing radiations (XRays), which makes them prohibitive in many scenarios.
Side annotate, just IMHO Blitz/fast-format/online is good for the game. Superstars playing it creates interest, and a young upwardly-and-comer scoring 1 off Magnus creates interest.
Photogenic, media-savvy folks similar Magnus or the Bortez sisters, or plenty of other examples are obviously attracting some views due to celebrity, but more people watching serious chess is just that!
I remember reading G.H. Hardy's A Mathematician's Amends that mathematics is young man'southward game. Can aforementioned exist said for chess? Is chess a young human's game?
Yes. Though people are consistently impressed by how Vishy Anand keeping upwards his level, he's 52 at present I believe. He was too "late" to attain the world top compared with many of the newer chess stars like Carlsen or Alireza.
Earth superlative 10 is a immature man's game I believe but you lot tin never discount a former Super-GM, they are still super strong.
In the same tournament, Carlesn also lost to NEPO and ESIPENKO(who is simply 2 years older than Praggnanandhaa)
There is a very simple caption for that - Magnus has COVID right at present.
To be off-white, Carlsen was chirapsia players much more than stronger and so him when Praggnanandhaa was... Never mind.
I am a Pakistani and I exercise not hesitate to admit that Indians(Hindus specially) take been constitute quite good at math and chess and at present software/It.
I am not sure whether there is some research nigh it why is information technology like that? some diet/belief or some other matter?
Happy to learn more nigh it.
It has nothing to exercise with organized religion IMO. Education is given a lot of importance in southern India, that could have helped a tiny bit, only apart from that I don't see how it is relevant.
Dr Abdul Kalam is widely revered in India for his contributions to rocket propulsion, pretty sure he was skillful at math & physics also.
Come from the same region as these folks. There is no correlation to religion in a lot of this. I studied in Govt. institutions where no one cared about a lot of religion , it was just race to the top.
I empathise there is a lot more than polarity now , trust me this does not have a thing!. The most inspirational engineer all of us looked to was Dr. APJ. Peer groups affair
Sounds similar a really good mode to not become better at chess and to not derive much fun from playing it
There's no reason to suspect that's what Rameshbabu's parents take done. There'due south no reason to bring this up. With a billion+ people everything is technically possible. Painting everything with the same brush isn't helping annihilation.
Practise I "suspect" them? Of form not, I don't even know them. But are you disagreeing with the idea that the probability of an inaccurate age is non-trivial in these sorts of situations? Same as when discussing world records of "globe'due south oldest person" - data inaccuracy should always be a consideration if you intendance about understanding reality. Merely if you're just looking for warm fuzzy feels, and so I can run across why you lot might take offense at someone interrupting that with non-fuzzy facts.
This is bs. A cursory YouTube search shows him being interviewed at 9 and he doesn't wait older than nine maybe even younger. Lance Armstrong doped, does that mean that all American athletes dope?
This was during an online rapid tournament. So still very impressive, but Magnus loses games online all the time and I'm non _quite_ certain why this is news.
Information technology is interesting which junior players Magnus invited to the tournament, though - besides Praggnanandhaa, there's also Andrey Esipenko, who _did_ vanquish Magnus in a classical game in one case at the prestigious Tata Steel Masters 2021, and also Nodirbek Abdusattorov, who beat Magnus late final twelvemonth en road to becoming the World Rapid Champion at 17 years old. A fun grouping! With Vincent Keymer in the mix also, you're only actually missing Nihal Sarin and (of form) Firouzja for many of the future faces of chess.
[Edit: the article says that Praggnanandhaa is the youngest thespian ever to beat Magnus since 2013, which would definitely exist newsworthy. I call up the commodity must exist leaving out important context, since this tournament is (1) online, (2) speed chess and (3) not FIDE rated, so it typically wouldn't exist included in records, and Magnus has almost certainly lost random online games to younger players before. I'm guessing the article is referencing some other source without providing the relevant criteria, which is why information technology looked a piffling weird to me.]
This context would certainly be great in the article, merely I nevertheless experience it's newsworthy. Bold the article is correct, he'south the youngest role player ever to beat Magnus since he became World Champion in 2013 - that alone is worth noticing.
He's too the sixth youngest chess grandmaster ever, so it'due south not similar he's a nobody, he's a legit prodigy. Plus India has traditionally not been a potent chess nation (per capita), but has been upwards and coming recently, so that adds to the appeal of the story.
I mean, per capita, Bharat is terrible at everything. We are much meliorate at chess than say soccer or Basketball.
Ask your Indian friends about the national cricket squad of New Zealand in world loving cup & world test competition (yep, I know), then work out the per-capita of that contest.
India probably take the best cricket squad in the world right now and they have depth. Their second 11 might be in the summit 5. They are awesome and a menstruum of Bharat being the summit dog is a good thing for cricket. (Some friendly played, properly tense games against Islamic republic of pakistan would make information technology even better, nosotros can't have everything).
Truthful, we tend to forget the size of the population when we compare countries. But nosotros should also non forget that someone from a rich country has a higher chance to get funding for sports.
Absolutely wealth is critical and manner, way beyond funding. You don't play at a serious level as a kid if you're genuinely poor for and then many reasons. A poorer, more populous, country with higher density living has relatively much more expensive access to playing fields. In chess information technology's more likely to be a role of tradition, interest, gratuitous time & resource availability (computers seem similar they might exist important only wtf would I know almost information technology or how many in India accept readily available access to play games?) Potentially wellness & diet of significant mothers could play some part in some of it for some individuals and may non be equivalent across all national borders. Domestic civilization and whatever class and or caste arrangement is influential in getting admission to playing in the best competitions as a inferior really matters.
New Zealand is wealthy, has more than playing fields than they can use, anyone who wants to can afford to play and is welcomed - fifty-fifty more than then if they can bring together in and help /usa/ beat those bastards from beyond town for whatever value of across town is about relevant to the particular team. There'south a metric fudge-tonne of old cranky bastards who want to tell you what to do to do information technology improve, not all of them are useless either. At to the lowest degree that's my read as a foreigner who visited in one case. The proportion of New Zealanders who trace their heritage to the sub-continent is probable pretty small (wikipedia says 5%). The proportion of the New Zealand national cricket team who trace their heritage to the sub-continent is quite big in comparison (~xxx% depending on who is selected this week?) There was a test match recently betwixt India and NZ where all the wickets in the friction match were taken by people tracing their heritage to India. Cultural tradition might have something to say about that besides.
Likewise Norway is close to the richest land per capita in the earth. Hard to think of anywhere you'd rather exist if you were bringing upwards kids and in the bottom 10% of wealth & income. If your child takes an interest in chess they are likely to be able to pursue it, is my guess (Norwegians tin can piping upwards to say how ignorant I am if necessary). Not true everywhere in the world.
None actually beyond interest, entertainment.
@screye picked per capita as a measure out. @herodoturtle pointed out how skilful India are at cricket right now. Seemed interesting and fun to combine those especially given recent cricket results and that basically nobody lives in NZ? Sometimes following these digressions leads somewhere interesting, informative, instructive and entertaining. Not always.
I'd never heard of it before I saw SRK playing with/against the sea in Dear Zindagi. And then at present that'due south the paradigm I accept when I read a comment similar yours, and it takes me a minute to remember what it really is!
just putting information technology out there as a random foreigner that happened to picket kabaddi randomly on goggle box while travelling -- kabaddi rules! Groovy spectator sport
I take played Kabaddi as a kid but somehow never imagined that information technology was televised. Looked for clips of Pro Kabbadi League on YouTube and couldn't assist but laugh out loud because of it being presented equally a serious sport with commentators and everything.
Whatsoever sport with coherent rules is no different near whether it may qualify equally a "serious sport". Baseball game looks pretty stupid to me every bit a European, and satires of Cricket often portray that as complete nonsense although it does have laws setting down exactly how it works.
In the end what matters to perception may be the attendant fuss, as yous say with commentators and organised contest, simply I grew up with the Football Pyramid†, which provokes salubrious distrust of such things in trying to ascertain a sport.
† Different with US sports similar the NFL, in England Soccer is organised in a vast sprawling hierarchy of leagues, the Pyramid, with a arrangement for teams to exist promoted from a lower league to a higher one, or contrariwise demoted to a lower league, depending on their performance each season. Anybody can start at the bottom, if they can put together a grouping of people to turn up and play. In principle a group of friends or colleagues could create a new side, "Speen and Dean FC", that was only ridiculously skillful, and become promoted every flavor, until after a few yeares they were playing against semi-professionals, then facing actual professional footballers in stadiums, and then playing internationals, it's all possible. Incredibly unlikely of course, only possible. And then this emphasises that really the game you're playing boot-most with some friends, is the exact same game somebody gets paid eyewatering sums of money to play on national TV. If it'due south a "serious sport" is conspicuously simply a matter of perspective.
Nodirbek was as well a teenager when he outset defeated him (and no, his last win wasn't the starting time, but first on a tournament of this level.) Norwegian supercomputer is still a human, and he has bad days.
> This was during an online rapid tournament. So all the same very impressive, but Magnus loses games online all the fourth dimension and I'm non _quite_ sure why this is news.
Non to mention, Pragg wasn't even the everyman rated actor to beat out Magnus in this unrated tournament. Eric Hansen is fifty-fifty lower rated than pragg and he beat magnus. Sure hansen is older simply and then what? Pragg didn't even make information technology out of the preliminary stage of this tournament while hansen did.
This news story reeks of advertizing masquerading equally news. India is a potential huge market and it seems like the chess manufacture paid for this news.
Equally someone who follows chess, this story is and so forced and unbelievable. Pragg came in 11th out of sixteen and didn't make it by the beginning phase. Why turn it into such a huge news story?
If anything, the story should be about how pragg and ding liren have to compete in the middle of the time due to their time zones. The tournament is still going on and they make a huge story out of this? Does not compute.
To be fair, Eric Hansen's win was probably because of a Magnus Carlsen mouse sideslip. He made a totally nonsensical motility and so immediately resigned.
As a thespian with a rating probably, on a proficient day, somewhere around i tertiary Carlsen'south information technology is heartening to know that there is at least one aspect of his play that I am able to emulate precisely. And, it would seem, repeatedly.
"Why is this news" is almost always an unnecessarily provocative "loftier-heat low-light" question. It's more than substantial to point out mitigating factors and add missing context, equally you too did.
I read it as a metaphorical nod to light bulbs: an inefficient light seedling spends most of its energy toward heat while producing niggling light. Instead of producing illuminating discussion, a "high-oestrus low-calorie-free" question produces flames.
Because India.
[Edit] Thanks for the comments, in now way is this meant prejudiced and derogatory, I have worked with many excellent Indian colleagues.
The country unremarkably associated with Chess is Russia, lately Bharat got a huge wave of bully talents similar Vidit Gujrathi or Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa.
I'll go out of my mode and assume you don't mean to be prejudiced or derogatory.
In return, I ask that yous understand that your phrasing is prejudiced and derogatory.
> Because India.
Do yous have something confronting Bharat or Indians? That likewise a 16 twelvemonth old Indian child..
Hopefully that is not part of your CTO coaching..
It's well known that Indians will absolutely swarm any content about Bharat put on the internet. I follow multiple youtubers that randomly come across 10x their usual traffic on a video that happens to be nigh Bharat in some way.
> Indians will admittedly swarm any content near India put on the internet.
And because of the large population, even a minor percentage would nonetheless be a large number.
Simply individual Indians do that on their ain contained will though.
There's no central authority that declares to Indians "Ooh hither's a new content about Bharat. Go go go!"
Yous do realize the Bharat has 1.4B+ population.. And then, fifty-fifty a small percentage is huge in absolute terms...
Nothing incorrect with it, but it distorts popularity metrics for India-related content.
The Us'south disparate influence on global culture is so strong, yet nosotros don't say the popularity metrics are distorted for American content. Odd phrasing IMHO
Yes, well that's your opinion. Peradventure justify/source information technology if yous want to brand sweeping generalisations of countries?
Youtubers basically get more views by Indians on Republic of india related content. Is that such a bad thing? i mean information technology has Republic of india related content.
I think their dissonance comes from seeing Western culture as the default. Indian content is seen as unusual, and evokes stiff other-ism.
Nothing wrong with information technology, it merely explains why western media would create a positive story about India that is only marginally newsworthy.
Though, you may be surprised to larn that in general, western media and western commentators are pretty negative on India. Encounter, for instance, [1]. Whenever some positive news about India comes out, people come out of the woodwork with statements similar "do people still shit on the streets?" "India is the rape capital of the world" "India should feed its people showtime", etc. etc.
Hence you tin can't really blame Indians for getting excited about a positive news story.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29502062
Indians are likewise insensitive to critics and get outraged very speedily.
I'm french and if I read whatsoever comments section of any english language commodity about France, I'll find tons of negative comments like "cheese eating give up monkey", "their tanks accept 1 forward and 7 reverse gear" and so on. And I only speak virtually the comments section, the worse are article from Murdoch'southward empire which plain insult united states, generating tons of money along the style because it sells well.
This type of comments is besides constitute on indian based website, and that is super strange because India and French republic have not been involved together, we do not share a common history which would allow the introduction of jokes making fun of i another.
> Indians are likewise insensitive to critics and become outraged very speedily.
Tin can you blame them? It's been barely 74 years since they got independence, and even so they have managed to achieve and so much: satellite launches, mission to moon, Mars, stable democracy, well-run elections, booming tech sector, nukes, etc. And they still have to deal with Western media portraying them as a shitty country.
Well France was one of the traditional colonizers and, although more than cooperative historically with India, was often the opponent of the sides supported by Republic of india diplomatically (Vietnam, Africa, etc).
Also France does non have a history of traditionally winning in Bharat (Carnatic Wars). That, coupled with the base level knowledge of WW2 that Indians are taught at school, means that Indians ofttimes take the stereotypical view online.
> Indians are as well insensitive to critics and go outraged very speedily.
Honestly, I've seen people beingness strongly nationalist both offline and online, in the United states of america and Europe just as much.
I don't there's much connection to ethnicity, rather people are just bad at taking criticism in general.
Cheers for the comment, in no manner is this meant prejudiced and derogatory, I accept worked with many fantabulous Indian colleagues.
> I'thousand non _quite_ sure why this is news
Perhaps not for most chess aficionados, But I for i don't mind this beingness blasted all over the news because Indian children have not seen school for two years now and they're hooked on to worthless reality shows & soap operas on television/streaming sites/FB/Instagram/WhatsApp; If this news motivates some of them (or) their parents to directly their attention towards chess even if its simply for the prospects of fame then I'chiliad all in for it.
This is news because it'due south a 16-year-sometime Indian kid. India has a huge Anglophone online audience that loves to heave news of Indian accomplishments, particularly those of people achieving something beyond their years.
Yes but this news would non get this much exposure if it was a Russian kid. They simply don't have the same online footprint.
Case in indicate: Last year, 18-year-old Andrey Esipenko vanquish Carlsen in classical time controls. It was Carlsen'southward outset classical loss against a teenager in 10 years, and his first loss to a sub-2700 actor in 5 years. It was also just 3 months after Carlsen's record-breaking streak of 125 classical games with no losses came to an end.
There was a big fizz in the chess world at the time, just information technology was hardly front-page material for mainstream media.
That said, of course, newsworthiness is not a competition - so congrats to both youngsters for their awesome achievements. The upcoming chess generation is looking promising! (I expect nosotros'll see similar headlines for Alireza Firouzja anytime shortly)
It's sports accomplishments in general. Like in most developing countries, sports has very depression priority in the Indian society, and then it becomes big news when an Indian excels in any sport because it'south assumed he/she had very lilliputian institutional support.
Because, every time Magnus loses, it is news. When he is no longer number one, information technology will cease to be news.
No, it isn't. Especially not if information technology is online rapid tournament. Indian journalists made it news. :-)
On another note, I like that guy and he is great talent, I followed his games live during the recent Tata Steel tournament (that was existent classic chess tournament). He will need to bear witness himself against other such talents like Firouzja, which I retrieve is around 18 and also very good, ando also that young Hungarian guy has a lot of promise. Hopefully they bring Magnus down soon. ;-)
Exactly this. I was very confused why this in detail was fabricated into a news story, considering in online rapid chess, and fifty-fifty more so for bullet, the just surprising issue would be if he didn't lose a whole bunch of games.
And, although not a junior, Eric Hansen aka i of the chessbrah also beat Magnus this tournament!
Firouzja is at a different point in his career than the other juniors. For most people, competing in a top online tournament for prizes and a shot at taking down Magnus is a corking use of fourth dimension. Just for Firouzja, who is the world no. 2 at 18 years one-time and volition exist participating in the next Candidates Tournament, it's all about grinding out classical training, learning openings, etc. He spent some time doing the online circuit and fifty-fifty won Titled Tuesday (a major weekly tournament with hundreds of grandmasters) twice in a row last year. When he emerges again, it will be to show dominance confronting the globe's elite at the most rigorous fourth dimension control, aiming for the next Globe Championship. That'southward what he wants.
Definitely. Off the top of my caput: Abdusattorov, Sarin, Firouzja, Keymer, Niemann, Yoo as well as Praggnanandhaa could all have downwardly Magnus in a given blitz game, and have been stiff enough to exercise so for several years. Rapid is definitely a tougher suggestion, but virtually of them could steal the occasional round from Magnus there, too.
To be clear, Magnus is still one of the strongest, if not the strongest, players in the world at speed chess, but there'south much more variability per game than in classical and at a given format (eg online 3+0, with premoves) probably he's edged out past any number of players.
For example, here's Nihal Sarin beating Magnus at a rush game at 16 years sometime: https://www.chess.com/events/2021-magnus-carlsen-vs-challeng.... Sarin is currently rated #5 on the chess.com blitz leaderboard with an absurd rating of over 3100. Online speed chess is just a different animal - ratings are different, everyone plays lots more than games, and even Magnus loses adequately ofttimes. These players are all rated high enough to exist competitive with Magnus at certain speed time controls, which is my point.
Not sure why this is downvoted. This is news because he is the youngest role player to beat magnus since he became world champ, and information technology was an fantabulous game to boot.
Aye. He even lost once in rapid to a person who was brand new to chess, if I call back correctly
This is noted in some other comment, but it should exist a acme level annotate... Magnus actively has COVID and has said that it was affecting his energy levels and power to calculate during the early rounds of the tournament (during which this game happened).
And Pragg wasn't even the lowest rated player to beat Magnus this tournament! Eric Hansen, aka popular chess streamer "chessbrah", is even lower rated and also beat Magnus, which again yous would not expect if Magnus were playing his usual level.
Then still a great win and groovy accomplishment for Pragg, but a little context would take been nice in the article.
To be off-white Prag outplayed Magnus in their game, whereas Magnus hung a slice vs. Hansen in an otherwise equal position and resigned immediately
Pressure is inevitable. Office of any competition is learning how to deal with it. Magnus has to bargain with loses similar this becoming big news.
>What he'southward saying: When asked on Chess24 he'd celebrate chirapsia Carsen, Praggnanandhaa said: "I remember it'south about merely going to bed, considering I don't retrieve I will accept dinner at 2:30 in the morning."
I don't cover this quote or even the judgement Axios introduced it with. ("asked on Chess24 he'd gloat"?) What is this saying?
Dialog from the linked video:
> Interviewer: Information technology must exist a large day for you, beating the earth champion. Will you sort of have a nice dinner, celebrate at all? Or is it only about going to bed now and get ready for 24-hour interval 3?
> Praggnanandhaa: I retrieve it's about just going to bed, because I don't think I will accept dinner at two:xxx in the morning time.
Link with timestamp to the quoted bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QcPCeq9L14&t=224s
The tournament is scheduled in the Central European Fourth dimension timezone, while Praggnanandhaa is in Bharat Standard Time. The lucifer in question was scheduled to start at eight:00PM CET, which is 12:30AM IST.
Chess24 is the chess platform hosting the tournament. The sentence should read something similar "When asked on Chess24 (the platform) how he would celebrate..."
Totally hold, love listening to him, and I still wonder how he is doing it (beside the hard work). With some it is piece of cake to see, with him I struggle.
I'1000 actively following chess. I was dislocated by the commodity title since I know Magnus was playing recently with somebody else (Le, Quang Liem) in the quarterfinals of the tournament.
After reading the commodity I've got more confused. When this is happened? What tournament? Which game format?
Finally I've realized this is but another PR stunt / clickbait / classic media article / yellow journalism and I'm merely wasting my time.
Smashing! Congratulation for achieving a remarkable feat at a immature age.
I do have 1 general question, not specific to him. I am just request what other people think about such a situation. Is there a scientific method to verify the age? Because I have seen my friends reducing their age intentionally to take function in international competitions.
I know in that location are prodigies, and fifty-fifty if he is not xvi information technology doesn't matter to me because he trounce the earth champion. He deserves the accolade :)
No! That'due south why it is a general question, not targeted at him. Also, my friends claimed to exist 14 when they were xvi because the international competition was restricted to 15 years old. Nonetheless, in this game age doesn't matter, then it is irrelevant whether he is older than 16 or not.
> it is a full general question
Every bit a general answer: As far as I know, there is currently no exact scientific method to measure and determine the age of a person.
Certain techniques tin give more or less rough estimates, nonetheless a precise technique that works for all age groups is catchy.
The post-obit article is from 2014, but gives a good glance at several existing methods and directions of research.
https://world wide web.phonation.com/2014/10/20/6939271/age-test-aging-epigen...
It should be noted, that many techniques in this area are invasive, requiring blood/tissue sampling and/or exposing a person to ionizing radiations (XRays), which makes them prohibitive in many scenarios.
Side annotate, just IMHO Blitz/fast-format/online is good for the game. Superstars playing it creates interest, and a young upwardly-and-comer scoring 1 off Magnus creates interest.
Photogenic, media-savvy folks similar Magnus or the Bortez sisters, or plenty of other examples are obviously attracting some views due to celebrity, but more people watching serious chess is just that!
I remember reading G.H. Hardy's A Mathematician's Amends that mathematics is young man'southward game. Can aforementioned exist said for chess? Is chess a young human's game?
Yes. Though people are consistently impressed by how Vishy Anand keeping upwards his level, he's 52 at present I believe. He was too "late" to attain the world top compared with many of the newer chess stars like Carlsen or Alireza.
Earth superlative 10 is a immature man's game I believe but you lot tin never discount a former Super-GM, they are still super strong.
In the same tournament, Carlesn also lost to NEPO and ESIPENKO(who is simply 2 years older than Praggnanandhaa)
There is a very simple caption for that - Magnus has COVID right at present.
To be off-white, Carlsen was chirapsia players much more than stronger and so him when Praggnanandhaa was... Never mind.
I am a Pakistani and I exercise not hesitate to admit that Indians(Hindus specially) take been constitute quite good at math and chess and at present software/It.
I am not sure whether there is some research nigh it why is information technology like that? some diet/belief or some other matter?
Happy to learn more nigh it.
It has nothing to exercise with organized religion IMO. Education is given a lot of importance in southern India, that could have helped a tiny bit, only apart from that I don't see how it is relevant.
Dr Abdul Kalam is widely revered in India for his contributions to rocket propulsion, pretty sure he was skillful at math & physics also.
Come from the same region as these folks. There is no correlation to religion in a lot of this. I studied in Govt. institutions where no one cared about a lot of religion , it was just race to the top.
I empathise there is a lot more than polarity now , trust me this does not have a thing!. The most inspirational engineer all of us looked to was Dr. APJ. Peer groups affair
Sounds similar a really good mode to not become better at chess and to not derive much fun from playing it
There's no reason to suspect that's what Rameshbabu's parents take done. There'due south no reason to bring this up. With a billion+ people everything is technically possible. Painting everything with the same brush isn't helping annihilation.
Practise I "suspect" them? Of form not, I don't even know them. But are you disagreeing with the idea that the probability of an inaccurate age is non-trivial in these sorts of situations? Same as when discussing world records of "globe'due south oldest person" - data inaccuracy should always be a consideration if you intendance about understanding reality. Merely if you're just looking for warm fuzzy feels, and so I can run across why you lot might take offense at someone interrupting that with non-fuzzy facts.
This is bs. A cursory YouTube search shows him being interviewed at 9 and he doesn't wait older than nine maybe even younger. Lance Armstrong doped, does that mean that all American athletes dope?